Tisserant received me very politely and courteously. The conversation lasted for an hour and a half. Because of his interesting claims, statements and his thesis regarding our general position in Europe and in the world, I will try to illustrate them in broad strokes. The Cardinal among other things said: "Your Fascist friends are laughing at your independence and freedom, at the existence of the Croatian state. I am hearing this directly from their high political leaders. Your king, the Duke of Spoleto, will never come to Croatia. He says that he will not go to Croatia, because they made him the king of a country that is not a kingdom, because it depends on Germany as well as on Italy. In Croatia everybody rules more than Croats... Father Simic himself led an armed group of people who destroyed Orthodox churches. I know for sure that Franciscans in Bosnia and Herzegovina have behaved just as miserably. That sort of thing isn't done by cultured and civilized men, let alone priests..."

The Germans only recognized the Croatian Orthodox Church after they together with us slaughtered all the priests and after 350,000 Serbs perished. Therefore, what right do we have to complain and claim that Catholics are carriers of culture and carriers of faith? The Serbs in the struggle with the Turks gave for the West and Catholicism as much as we did, and maybe even more. However, only Croats got the title Antemurale Christiantitis.